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All right, welcome back and joining us now as Metro Trojale. He's a pastor out of Wisconsin,

I believe it is. Is that right, Matt? I think that's right. And I really appreciate what Matt has done.

And he's done a great job in terms of making the point. He's got a book, a very well-selling book, and it's a very quick read, and it's

really packed with information.

Not that it's difficult to understand.

It's not dense in that sense, but it is dense in terms of the richness that it conveys

in a very small book that's easy to read.

And he talks about it from a Christian perspective and even from a historical perspective,

even pagan Romans understood what we no longer understand in this country.

And that is that there are higher moral laws.

And we've had this discussion recently about should you follow illegal orders?

I don't know why that's a controversy, but the fact that it is a controversy shows just how much we need this book from Matt. It's called the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate. How do we control that? We have the people at the top that have gone bad, and you can find that at, is it defytyrants.com. Is that the website? Matt,

I'm just going from memory here. I should have it in front of me. Okay, defytyrants.com. And so I would highly recommend that you get that book and read it. It's a small paperback. It's a great handout

to law enforcement and other people. and that's the way Matt has used

it.

But I've had him on several times, and Ryan, for love of the road, sent us an email and said,

you know, I've seen Matt on many times, and then I looked him up, looked up his background,

and he said, I think it might be interesting if he gave us his testimony.

And so, Matt, you said you're willing to do that.

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