Hi, I'm Catherine and I'm Sheila and we're taking you through private eyes.

Hi, this is Sheila Wisecaki. I became a private investigator because of my college roommates brutal rape and murder in Dallas, Texas in the 80s.

Unfortunately, she opened the door one night to a man I refer to as the beast and the consequences of that.

She was doing nothing wrong. She just opened the door was a man taking out a knife and stabbing her so much that he broke her spine.

And the stab wounds were so horrific that the first responder bought her heart was cut out and laid on her chest.

Angie's case went cold until the early 2000s and through a series of events I called the Dallas police and found out from that very first call that nobody had called in 20 years.

And I think that's the most devastating part of the story is that nobody called to find out who murdered her because her life mattered so much.

I originally reached out to the detective I worked with when the case first started and he didn't call me back.

And I kept calling and calling to the point where the nickname that I received from the Dallas police department was Pida, painting the ass if you don't know what that means back then they didn't have a cold case division.

So I started making call after call trying to get someone to answer questions I was lied to they told me that the evidence was lost and there was a flood which there was a blood and some evidence was lost but not Angie's.

Luckily a woman named Linda Crumb who was a detective called me.

She opened the file she got the evidence the evidence was sent away for DNA testing and we got a hit.

The person that they got a hit on was a serial rapist now convicted murder he was convicted in 2010.

From that case I was going to retire my license but somebody had done a story on it and then I started getting a start getting mail from families wanting help and of course I talk about this I was just stupid back then I had gotten my PI license I worked under a private investigator I learned a lot but there were things I was really dumb about when I started getting letters I was like how do they know where I live.

Families needed help and I started helping them so I did not retire my license I am now helping families that are in the worst situation nobody was listening to that have cases that need to be looked at.

From that case I started helping other victims families with their cases mainly cold cases I get the more complicated cases with many many layers networking and associations are important in our profession whenever I need help on a case I will post on an investigative board.

I had a case out of Austin Texas one of the boards I posted help on was Nally national association of legal investigators and association I share a membership with Catherine mayor Catherine responded to the email and I immediately called her.

Now I will say this so the audience does know I vetted her before I emailed her back or called her back I checked with some other investigators that I respect because they knew her work and the quality of work and she passed and so here we are today doing this podcast that I will say I couldn't pick to better group to do it with we have Danielle who is my right hand person.

I am so happy to be here with you and Catherine so you are going to hear Danielle kind of like a peanut gallery speak up with an opinion here there and then Catherine Catherine works what I consider the opposite aisle.

So yeah I come from such a different background first of all I love hearing your story of how we met and that you had to bet me I think that's hilarious after the fact.

Sheila obviously she's had a little bit more forefront in the media and other podcasts that I had listened to and I responded to that list serve email just saying well I'm here and I know her you know vaguely and I can probably help out so when she calls me that night and we kind of just chatted for a bit.

I think it was the rest of history even though again I'll explain the whole opposite side part that she says but I do think that.

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