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🗓️ 15 July 2025
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The British Government has revealed it has secretly moved thousands of Afghans to the UK, after a data leak by a defence official. We'll hear from the journalist who fought to reveal the story and an Afghan who says his family's safety has been threatened.
Also on the programme: our Washington correspondent who was having an early evening nap at home when Donald Trump gave him a call; and the world's biggest human imaging project that has scanned the bodies of 100,000 people.
(Photo: A captain of the Afghanistan army boards a British military plane at Kabul airport to be evacuated to the UK. Issue date: Tuesday August 24, 2021. Credit: Ministry of Defence)
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to NewsHour. It's coming to you live from the BBC World Service Studios in central London. I'm Tim Franks. |
0:11.3 | We're beginning with news of a big data leak. This one wasn't a hack. It was a mistake. These things happen. They shouldn't, of course, but they do. The difference with this |
0:22.6 | one is the scale of the potential harm, that it could potentially have been lethal and that the |
0:29.1 | British government tried to suppress news of the leak from coming out. What happened was this. |
0:35.1 | In February 22, an official that the British Ministry of Defence sent out to thousands of people in Afghanistan the names of 19,000 Afghans who had applied for resettlement in the UK, fearful that their previous work alongside British forces might put them at risk, given that the Taliban were now in power. It was only |
0:55.1 | 18 months later that the MOD, the Ministry of Defence, became aware of the leak. Officials |
0:59.9 | try to stem the damage in two ways. First, by setting up a new scheme costing, we're told |
1:05.7 | today more than a billion dollars, to get the people whose names had been leaked into the UK and to do so secretly. |
1:14.0 | And secondly, to issue a blanket injunction preventing anyone even reporting on the existence |
1:20.1 | of the list or the leak. That changed today when a high court judge in London ruled that the |
1:25.2 | gagging order should be lifted. Shortly thereafter, the British Defence Secretary John Healy addressed members of Parliament. |
1:32.8 | Mr Speaker, this serious data incident should never have happened. |
1:37.6 | It may have occurred three years ago under the previous government, |
1:42.4 | but to all those whose information was compromised, |
1:46.0 | I offer a sincere apology today on behalf of the British government. |
1:51.2 | Larissa Brown is the defence editor of the Times newspaper |
1:55.1 | and spearheaded the efforts to get the injunction lifted. |
1:58.4 | She told me how she had learned about the data breach. |
2:01.9 | I was on maternity leave, actually, at the time. This was August 2023, and I became aware of a |
2:08.2 | data breach, and I was told that thousands of Afghan lives have been put at risk as a result of that. |
2:14.0 | This was actually before a super injunction had been brought in, but then I later found out that there was a super injunction preventing us from revealing the details of the case and the fact that there was actually an order preventing us revealing those details. |
2:27.5 | And just interrupt, Larissa, that's what a super injunction is. |
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