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🗓️ 13 November 2025
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After 27 years, Melvyn Bragg has decided to step down from the In Our Time presenter’s chair. With over a thousand episodes to choose from, he has selected just six that capture the huge range and depth of the subjects he and his experts have tackled. In this second of his choices, we hear Melvyn Bragg and his guests discuss one of his favourite poets.
Their topic is Thomas Hardy (1840 -1928) and his commitment to poetry, which he prized far above his novels. In the 1890s, once he had earned enough from his fiction, Hardy stopped writing novels altogether and returned to the poetry he had largely put aside since his twenties. He hoped that he might be ranked one day alongside Shelley and Byron, worthy of inclusion in a collection such as Palgrave's Golden Treasury which had inspired him. Hardy kept writing poems for the rest of his life, in different styles and metres, and he explored genres from nature, to war, to epic. Among his best known are what he called his Poems of 1912 to 13, responding to his grief at the death of his first wife, Emma (1840 -1912), who he credited as the one who had made it possible for him to leave his work as an architect's clerk and to write the novels that made him famous.
With
Mark Ford Poet, and Professor of English and American Literature, University College London.
Jane Thomas Emeritus Professor of English at the University of Hull and Senior Visiting Research Fellow at the University of Leeds
And
Tim Armstrong Professor of Modern English and American Literature at Royal Holloway, University of London
Producer: Simon Tillotson
Spanning history, religion, culture, science and philosophy, In Our Time from BBC Radio 4 is essential listening for the intellectually curious. In each episode, host Melvyn Bragg and expert guests explore the characters, events and discoveries that have shaped our world
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| 1:00.5 | something very close to my heart. Thomas Hardy's poetry is one of those. We recorded this just as we |
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| 1:12.3 | to resume face-to-face conversations with our three deeply red guests who cared deeply about Hardy. |
| 1:19.9 | Hello, in the 1890s, Thomas Hardy stopped writing novels and returned to his first love, poetry, |
| 1:25.9 | and he stayed writing poems for 38 years, the rest of his life. |
| 1:30.0 | In different styles and meters, he explores genres from nature, |
| 1:33.7 | the darkling thrush, to war, drummer hodge, and to epics, the dynasts. |
| 1:38.2 | And among his best known are what he called his poems 1912 to 13, |
| 1:42.8 | responding to his grief at the death of his first wife, Emma, |
| 1:45.9 | who was neither his first love nor his last, but was the muse who'd made his writing possible. |
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