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If you celebrate Christmas, Merry Christmas, if not happy holidays or whatever it may be for you.

I want to talk about the rise of paganism and the death of religion and the context, the political

context in which this is all happening.

By visiting this piece that Russ Dau-T-H-A-T, he's a columnist for the New York Times and he wrote this piece titled The Return of paganism

And really what he's talking about here I refer to it as James Madison's nightmare

James Madison's nightmare.

James Madison and Thomas Jefferson

had this running disagreement for about 10 or 15 years.

You can find it in their correspondences,

particularly their correspondences from the 17 from around 1787

1788 when the Constitution was being written and promoted.

Jefferson was in Paris, Madison was in Virginia and they were corresponding.

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