Hello and welcome to this week in Ringer Culture. I'm Liz Kelly bringing you the highlights

from the Ringer Podcast Network. This is our last roundup of 2017 but we're still putting

up a ton of good stuff on the site before the year officially ends. We've added to our

2017 year interview like the most underrated albums, works collaborations and even best sweaters

of 2017. You can check it all out on theringer.com. So we finished last week's roundup talking

Star Wars and we are starting this show with the same. On the big picture this week, Sean

Fantasy talked with Star Wars, the last Jedi director, Ryan Johnson, about introducing new elements

in a pre-existing universe. Worldbuilding is a big part of what you do, not necessarily in maybe

the Marvel Cinematic Universe sense, but you're creating a new language at times and creating a new

history or a new future. You're obviously entering established mythology here. What was it like

for you to try to figure out how to build your own worlds inside of these stories?

Well, I mean for me, I guess because it was something where the world of it is kind of me trying

to capture what Star Wars felt like, what those movies felt like to me and what they were to me

when I was growing up. So I guess first of all, everyone's going to have a slightly different

interpretation of that, I guess. And that to me, tonally at least, defines what Star Wars always

was for me. But then there's a lot more obviously. It's a big complicated question and that's one that

I kind of answered just by making this movie. This is kind of what Star Wars feels like to me,

I guess. Did you have to channel your 13-year-old self? Yeah, you always had to check back. It

was an invaluable resource, having that sort of internal compass of does this feel right to me.

And it's tricky because every single fan has a different compass because everyone grew up

also in a slightly different time. I was 10 years old when Return of the Jedi came out, I think.

So that was, I was in prime age for that movie. So, but then as I became an adult, Empire was the

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