So she said here, keep on preaching. That is wonderful.

That's words of encouragement. That from wanting to be part of again, now I wanted to be a preacher.

Wow. That's what the local church helped me to see hope, to have hope.

Life is like a roller coaster, but it's so much better when we go through it together.

It's true. We are better together. And this season, I'm asking our podcast community to do something together to make a difference in the world. There are hard things going on around us. Hurricanes, floods, fires, people hurting, and as followers of Jesus, we show up in the hard stuff

and we build relationships with people who need us. We give.

Each week I'm bringing you a short piece of an interview with a special guest, and each week,

you'll hear more about what we can do together.

These are short episodes, less than 10 minutes, so come join us.

Jonathan, hi. welcome to the podcast.

Thank you, Candins. Really excited to be here.

Thank you. I'm so happy to have you. Where should we start? I know you're married. You have two young boys.

What was your childhood like growing up? That's a great. That's a great question. I will reflect while we talk in some of the aspects of poverty that we don't normally

see.

People see poverty as the lack of things, like lack of clothes, food, material things, which

is most of what the issue of poverty is.

But there is an aspect of poverty related to the spiritual need all humans have.

And for me, that starts with my grandparents.

And in the context of our family, my, my mother was abused by an uncle,

which sexual abuse, sadly, was very common in my family. And everything again was related to

that aspect of spiritual warfare. And so no many people see that, but that's how my story began, because my mother run away

from family and end up homeless.

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