What up ladies, I'm Lisa Billew and yes you are listening to Women of Empath.

Now let's talk about how narcissists don't destroy all of them. Right, they do it slowly. That's the freaking trap. They do it with these little movements through confusion, playing shifting, and eventually making you feel like you're the freaking problem. And let's be honest, the scariest part is most of us don't actually realise what's happening until we're ready to deep into it. We're trying to be reasonable, we're trying to be fair, we're trying to keep the peace

with someone

who's playing a completely different game, and we feel like we're failing. Our emotions are confidence at just freaking plummeting. Because when you're dealing with an narcissist, you're not having a disagreement, you're in the middle of a freaking power struggle, And if we don't actually understand that, then we end up exhausted, doubting ourselves,

and apologising things that we didn't actually even do.

And that's why I bought on James' section. Oh my god, god... and if we don't actually understand that, then we end up exhausted, doubting ourselves, and apologising things that we didn't actually even do.

And that's why I bought on James Sexton.

Oh my God, guys, he even gives examples of exactly how.

They're going to manipulate you

before you even realise it.

Now, James Sexton is the number one divorce attorney

in the freaking country.

And for over 25 years,

he's been face to face with no sisters

at their absolute freaking worst through custody battles High-conflictive forces caught them showdowns he has seen all so he knows exactly how they manipulate you how they control the narrative and what actually happens when you stop breaking feed in their ego guys today isn't singly good because he breaks down why reason and compromise reason and compromise fell with high conflict personalities every single time and he tells you how seeing that actually changes every decision that you end up making. So you don't get stuck in the fricking web of manipulation that comes from them. We also talk about the freaking subtle ways that actually given in escalates the bad behaviour. This one is so important because once you recognise it you stop feeding the very thing that's actually training you. And then we go over how manipulation works by shifting the blame and the way that you see things. Guys, this is freaking CD and insanely crafty of having to be honest of how they actually end up doing it. Now, if you learn this, you can actually stay grounded when the narrative starts moving in the direction that you're like, hang on a minute. It's a what happened. Now why does this matter? This matters because whether this is a partner, an ex, a co-parent, a boss or a family member. This dynamic will change how you see yourself and how you see how you can show up in that relationship. So my home is this episode is about clarity, it's about protection, and taking a fricking pound bag without becoming someone that you're not. So let's dive in right now with the insanely captivating James Sektz and right here on the women of impact. As a number one divorce attorney, using it all manipulation, deception, infidelity, lies, narcissism and every type of toxicity. So if anyone watching right now, how on earth can we manage and handle a narcissist when all they're trying to do is rip you apart and tear you down? I've seen so many things in 25 plus years of practicing law. No one has ever come into my office and said, I would like this to be really awful and protracted. I'd like to spend as much money as possible in legal fees.

I'd like this to just blow up everything I have. I'd like to ruin my children. I'd like to burn any good will and history that my co-parent and I have. I'd like to alienate everyone around me. I'd like to become the most awful vicious version of myself, humanly possibly, irreparably scarred at the end of it. No one's ever said, They all come in and go, look, I want to be fair.

Even no cis?

Yes.

More cis. humanly possible and be irreparably scarred at the end of it. No one's ever said that. They all come in and go, look, I want to be fair. Even no sis? Yes. Oh. More so narcissists than anyone else because they are convinced of the certainty of their innocence. It is, it is never their fault. It is never their fault. Like, so when you say fair, it's not actually fair. It's how they perceive that. It's their definition of fair. See because their spouse is in an office somewhere saying, I just want to be fair also. But they're asking for totally opposite things. Because that's their definition of fair. You know, if there's a line from a talking head song, facts, all come with points of view and facts don't do what I want them to. And that's the truth.

Like, narcissists more than anything will not concede the possibility of their error.

Like if you say I've had plenty of narcissistic clients, I've cross-examined no shortage

of narcissists, which by the way, cross-examining a narcissist is the most funny human being

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