I'm Alan Alder and this is Clear In Vivid, conversations about connecting and communicating.

These are the things that make us human.

Asking ourselves, who am I?

What does this mean?

What really makes me happy?

And if you ask those questions, grapple with them.

I think that more often than not, you end up leading a more fulfilled life because you

realize that some of the things that superficially seem important, money or job or things like

that up to a point they are, but there are other things that are more important and you

can only find that out if you engage in this process of examining life, of examining

what it means.

What does it mean to be human?

For each Zakaria and I sat down for this conversation back in early February.

That was before the coronavirus snatched up so many lives and livelihoods.

It was also before the virus invaded every conversation, so it might be a relief from our daily

diet of tragic updates to listen to something different.

But it's interesting how much for each thoughts about the importance of a fulfilled life

and examined life, how much that resonates now, now while we're all trying to cope with

the world in which everything is uncertain.

Every, this is so great that you could come in today.

I'm such an admirer of yours.

And I have yours, so this is a great pleasure.

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