If a person, their body says male, but their mind is saying female, the mind is wrong.

In other words, our minds are fallen.

And so we don't deny that people can feel a sense of brokenness between what they perceive

and sense about themselves and what their

bodies is we don't deny that we live in a fallen world but we don't want to say that just because

a person feels that way and maybe they say that they felt that way from birth it feels very

it's not something that they chose even or that none of that would be evidence that it was right

it would be evidence that things are not as God originally made them.

Welcome to the Crossway podcast, a show where we sit down with authors each week

for thoughtful interviews about the Bible, theology, church history, and the Christian life.

I'm Matt Tully, and today I'm talking with Denny Burke.

Denny is a professor of biblical studies at Boyce College, the undergraduate arm of the

Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, and also serves as associate pastor at Kenwood Baptist Church

in Louisville, Kentucky.

He's also authored or contributed to a number of books, including Design for Joy,

How the Gospel Impacts Men and Women, Identity and Practice from Crossway.

Today, Denny and I discuss how Christians should think about transgenderism.

He walks through the Bible's countercultural teaching on gender and sexuality, offers timely

advice for parents who want to be proactive about helping their kids navigate these issues,

and answers two critical questions many of us have when it comes to the transgender movement.

How did we get here and what's next?

Let's get started.

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