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We got a new pope. Some people are calling him, more and more people are calling him the bulwark

Pope. Some other people are calling him the woke pope. It's a different crowd, as you might imagine.

A lot of people on the MAGA right are not super pleased with the selection of the first American

Pope, the first Chicago Pope, the first

Pope, Leo the 14th. And the reason for that is because, as we've hit on a couple other videos now,

he has had some not so nice things to say, some moderately hostile takes on the Trump

administration's immigration policy in particular. Not all that surprising,

not all that out of keeping with the way Pope Francis has responded to these things in the past,

but because he was formerly not the Pope, he was just a cardinal, he was letting it rip a little

more than we've seen out of Francis recently. So here to talk about all that and the MAGA reaction,

Will Summer, our right-wing media reporter, thanks for coming on to hash it out, Will. Hey, of course, you know, I'm confirmed Catholic myself. So, you know, I dabble in multiple worlds here. So I'm ready to offer my wisdom from Catholic school. See, I didn't, I didn't even know that. I'm, I am Lutheran, but I have been kind of forgetting a little bit that I'm not Catholic amid all of the bulwark Pope discourse. You know,

we've got this kind of like sense of ownership over the guy, even though I'm not at the party at all. So that's, that's cool. You get both, you get both barrels of the bulwark Pope as a, as a work Catholic yourself. So talk to me about this. Obviously, immigration, very near and dear,

you know, mass deportation, immigration hawkishness, very near and dear to the Maga movement. How have they been processing the missives of the woke pope? It's not going well. Overall is what I'd say. I mean, they were really looking forward to, I think, a very conservative, politically conservative pope. I mean, they really wanted Cardinal Surrah, who was seen as sort of like the, a real reaction to Francis had he been selected. Instead, they got a guy who, as you said, I mean, once the white smoke went out, this newsmax anchor, but before they knew who the

Pope was, he said, it better not be a woke Pope.

So, I mean, really, like, they, they were watching very intently.

Steve Bannon said the Cardinal ultimately became Leo the 14th here.

He was in advance.

He said, you know, I think one of the guys who might win this

is this Cardinal. And I'm concerned about that because he's so, so progressive. So, you know, they're not taking it very well. I guess is how I would sum it up. And again, just to kind of sum up, it's not like this guy was like posting bulwark articles or like retreating up, Not to diminish his standing as the bulwark Pope.

But it was just a very kind of like,ing up, not to, not to diminish his standing as the bulwark Pope.

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