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“They Cut You Off From Everyone” - Cult Deprogrammer Breaks Down 764 Network, Scientology & NXIVM | PBD Podcast | Ep. 699

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🗓️ 11 December 2025

⏱️ 130 minutes

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Summary

Patrick Bet-David sits down with cult deprogrammer Rick Alan Ross to expose the manipulative tactics of the 764 Network, the inner workings of Scientology, and the psychological control methods behind NXIVM.

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Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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0:00.0

Why are businesses like HelloVet choosing Apple products and services?

0:04.8

So we started the business two years ago.

0:07.2

We had a few people who were used to PCs and this was their first foray into Macs.

0:12.5

But it's been super smooth getting everyone onto those devices and everyone seems really, really happy.

0:18.0

Find out how Mac can help you run and grow your business at Apple.com forward slash hello vet.

0:26.1

Being evil queen has never been so fun.

0:29.2

And I am willing to do anything.

0:32.1

We will soon be at war.

0:33.9

You will have to take a side.

0:35.3

War with the Protestants.

0:36.6

What fun. Or war with the Catholics. None of us are safe. Feels good to be bad. The Serpent Queen on Channel 4. Stream now. His question is very innocent. How does one start a cult today? Well, the times have changed. So if you wanted to start a cult today, you would do it online. You'd have your

0:55.6

social media accounts, you'd stream, and all of these things that I'm describing have in fact

1:01.3

been done by cult leaders. This is the new way in which cults thrive. But what is the point

1:07.6

where they go to now sacrifice your life? The leader starts telling you that the outside world is evil.

1:15.6

This is when it starts getting very dark.

1:17.6

And then the leader can say things like, let's attack the Tokyo subway system.

1:22.6

Or you can have a situation which recently happened.

1:25.6

Paul McKenzie told his people to fast and pray

1:29.1

because the end of the world was coming and over 400 bodies have been recovered in Kenya.

1:35.2

Are you following anything with Diddy?

1:37.2

Yeah, I followed it a bit. I don't necessarily see him as a cult leader, but I see him as

1:42.7

using cult-like techniques of coercive control to

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