The several teams at risk of major collapse from the AFC North and AFC East in 2024.

That's what we're talking about on today's edition of stealing banana shorts.

I'm Ben Gretch.

You can find my newsletter at Ben Gretch.

com with me as always is Sean Ziegle.

You can find all of his great work over at Rodeviz.

Let's jump in into the discussion.

AFC North and AFC East. we can probably talk about them in conjunction a little bit i'm curious if anything stands out big to you

i have one win total over under play that i really like in the north Cincinnati Bengals clearly what is the

Bengals line no it's so for me it's actually the Pittsburgh Steelers it's the Steelers under

the Bengals are at 10.5 bet a little bit to the to the over so my So mine is the Steelers under because people are betting the over.

You can get it at even money on the under.

You don't have to pay the vague.

And I've heard that the reasoning on Twitter that I've seen is that it's crazy that their win total would be 8.5 because in all 17 of Mike Tomlin seasons, they've never had a losing record,

which would be compelling if not for the fact that, you know, everything hasn't happened

until the time that it has. Like, sometimes things change. I think Mike Tomlin is a fantastic

coach. I think if you rank the coaches, I think he's in

the top five. If you talk about player development and culture and getting the most out of the

guys he has on his roster, he might be number one. I think he's incredible at that. I think when

you start talking about like scheme and some of that stuff, you probably have to dock him a little bit compared to like an Andy Reid. You start talking about some of the in-game decisions. I think you have to dock him a little bit. You'd probably have to dock Andy Reid as well with the way that he likes to use timeouts. But those are, I mean, probably two of the best coaches in the NFL. But that's why I wouldn't immediately probably put Tomlin first.

But in terms of getting the most out of his team, I think you probably have to put him right there near the top. My issue with scheme is not on the defensive side. It's just like when you let Matt Canada be your offensive coordinator for that long and you're the head guy and you're not making that move, you know, some of the other stuff that they've done the years under Todd Haley and stuff.

I mean, he's not always been as into the innovative offensive stuff as you would like. And then they go in higher Arthur Smith this year, which is a big reason why I like the under 8.5, frankly, is that they're going to do things a certain way. And Arndt Smith's teams can win, but they always tried to win.

...