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Imaginary Worlds

There's No Place Like Oz

Imaginary Worlds

Eric Molinsky

Arts, Science Fiction, Fiction, Society & Culture

4.82.1K Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2024

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

In honor of the release of Wicked, we’re hitching a ride on a tornado to hear three different stories about Oz. We hear how the “rainbow chaser” L. Frank Baum failed at every career he tried until he sat down to write The Wizard of Oz. We learn about Baum’s frenemy W.W. Denslow, who illustrated The Wizard of Oz, and then tried to create a competing franchise. And we learn how the author of the Russian translation of The Wizard of Oz convinced the public (with the help of the Soviet government) that the story was written in the USSR. Featuring authors Michael Patrick Hearn, Robert Baum, and Olga Zilberbourg. This week’s episode is brought to you by Henson Shaving, Sol Reader and Dragon Ball Legends Go to solreader.com to and use the code IMAGINARY at checkout to receive 15% off your purchase of Sol Reader Limited Edition. Visit hensonshaving.com/worlds to pick the razor for you and use the code WORLDS to get two years' worth of blades free with your razor – just make sure to add them to your cart. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You're listening to Imaginary Worlds, a show about how we create them and why we suspend our disbelief.

0:07.0

I'm Eric Malinsky.

0:09.0

When I was a kid, I discovered I had an ability to completely detach my mind and live in my imagination.

0:16.0

It started with action figures.

0:17.8

Eventually, I could just disappear at will.

0:20.3

When I was in a trance, I could still

0:21.7

hear my mother's voice saying, earth to Eric. Earth to Eric. Come in, Eric. I remember one day,

0:29.2

my mother was talking about someone we knew, and she said that that man was a Luftmensch.

0:34.0

It's a Yiddish word for someone whose mind is in the clouds to their own detriment.

0:39.4

And I thought, there's a word for that?

0:43.6

As a Luftmensch myself, I have always been drawn towards stories of other Luftmensch.

0:49.7

Around 20 years ago, I was working for a public radio show called Studio 360. They assigned me to work

0:55.7

on an audio documentary about The Wizard of Oz. That's when I learned that the 1939 movie

1:01.2

with Judy Garland was based on a children's book from the early 1900s. And when I read about

1:07.0

the author of that book, El Frank Baum, I understood this guy at a core level.

1:13.6

Michael Patrick Hearn is one of the leading experts on El Frank Baum.

1:17.6

No one creates a secondary world like the land of us who's happy with the world as it is.

1:22.6

I think there are a lot of things that Baum was not happy about his life and about America.

1:32.8

And I think there is always a sense of skepticism that you don't trust that man behind the curtain.

1:36.0

And I certainly think that's something that comes out in the Oz books.

1:45.0

L. Frank Baum has been on my mind lately because when I'm not happy about the world, I default to my coping mechanism.

1:50.3

It's so automatic at this point, the way my mind just keeps going right up to the clouds to avoid thinking about what's on the ground.

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