all right welcome to sons of patriarchy we have another another saturday bonus episode uh this is

coming out on the second saturday in january because podcasting is funny like that where you get

lower listenership towards the holidays and then everybody starts listening again during the new year

because they want to hit their new year resolutions or whatever it may be.

And we're in the religion and spirituality category.

So that one starts jumping up for Bible plans at the beginning of the year.

But we have two people on for this episode.

And this will be a different episode than we usually do,

because it's both survivor base, but it's also more than that. There's, there's some

intersecting stuff in this, too, which I'm really interested in to learn. I was connected to

both of these ladies through Lea Denton, the psychotherapy podcast, which I was on her podcast in April sometime, April or March.

And then Leah's like, hey, I'm going to connect you to this woman.

You really need to hear her story.

You need to see what they're doing.

And they would love to go public and try to get some support for what they're doing.

So we'll talk about that.

So Amy and Jennifer, if you can introduce yourselves, kind of what you're doing, what you're all about,

and then we'll get into Amy's story, then how both of you met and that are doing what you're doing today.

Jennifer, you introduce what we're doing.

Okay.

Well, Amy and I are co-producing a docu-series about therapy harm and all the issues surrounding it,

so not just the abuse, but the aftermath and what survivors go through.

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