Oh, hey, it's that guy on the train next year shopping for phones on his phone,

Ali Ward, and here we are together, it's raining in Los Angeles.

It's an atmospheric river. We're serving a cozy little romp through words and science.

So I met this ologist on an island last summer.

Don't get too excited though, it was Catalina Island just off the coast of LA.

And while I was presenting this audio storytelling

symposium for USC's Riggly School it's a storymakers program they do it was

actually very exciting because it was full of climate scientists learning to

communicate their work to the public so I was there to talk to them about

audio storytelling and we all chatted after dinner around this little campfire and I learned that this guest was not only

studying the earth but also doing

poeming as well and not just like is a hobby a real life theoretical ecologist

a professor of ecology and sustainability and a director of the Guelph Institute for Environmental Research,

also an internationally lauded poet, an author.

How?

We're going to talk about it.

So among her scores of ecology publications are three books.

There's two volumes of poetry, a new index for predicting catastrophes, which was a Trillion

Book Award finalist for Poetry.

And her nextetry book was called

Parasitic oscillations, which was a Globe and Mail

top 100 book, and then her memoir,

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