really interesting thing that we've seen with like succinct and ZK in general is just the cost

curves are coming down. And so if we can find a foothole today and kind of a low throughput

chains or even higher throughput chains where users are willing to pay that additional

transaction cost, it just gets better over time. And welcome to Bankless where today we are exploring the frontier of ZK technology.

It's been said that ZK is the end game.

And it's also been noted that ZK technology has been progressing a little bit faster than

people previously anticipated.

Meanwhile, in the old world of optimistic roll-ups, we are still kind of stuck in stage

zero, stage one of the roll-up decentralization. Our two guests today, Uma Roy from Sucinct

and Andrew Huang from Conduit, I think that they have a silver bullet to leapfrog a bunch

of the optimistic roll-up stacks. What do we get with what they are delivering?

The OP succinct is potentially hyperscale roll-ups that are at stage one or stage two,

that have what are like restful APIs between roll-ups to be able to talk to each other and fix

some of Ethereum's

fragmentation. Is this the silver bullet that they promise? Well, this is the big question

that we ask in this episode, and how does this fix Ethereum's fragmentation? I'm pretty excited

about this. The fact that this is already out in production is pretty cool. So we will let you,

Bankless Nation, judge for yourself

about what you think. But I love this episode quite bullish. All that sounds superbrainy, David,

but my biggest question going to this episode is, does this help my eth-bags at all? Okay.

And that's a question. Could ZK supercharge the Ethereum roll-up-centric roadmap? Could it even

supercharge the initiative to make L1 better?

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