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Open Source with Christopher Lydon

The Zionism Riddle

Open Source with Christopher Lydon

Christopher Lydon

Arts

4.71K Ratings

🗓️ 20 June 2024

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Zionism has been the question that keeps changing. Once it was: “How to build a safe home for the Jews of the world?” Today it’s more nearly: “How to build a safe neighborhood around the ...

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0:00.0

I'm Christopher Leiden, this is open source, around Zionism this time. I'm asking three

0:06.6

guests to consider whether there's time enough still to reinvent the idea.

0:11.8

Zionism has been the question that keeps changing. Once it was

0:16.2

how to build a safe home for the Jews of the world. Today it is more nearly how to

0:21.1

build a safe neighborhood around the mighty militarized state of Israel.

0:26.0

Yuvall Noah Harare, the Israeli philosopher historian, put the question bluntly in the Washington Post this spring, will Zionism survive the Gaza war?

0:37.0

There's the riddle. Depending on who's speaking and who's listening,

0:41.0

Zionism can stand for refuge or for settler statehood or for religious

0:47.3

ethnon nationalism. Early liberal Zionists like Albert Einstein and Hannah Arend thought we would have figured out by now how a religious nation could also be open, inclusive, democratic, and peaceful.

1:02.0

Were they asking too much? democratic and peaceful.

1:02.5

Were they asking too much?

1:04.6

I put it to you first, Michi Harmon in Jerusalem,

1:08.1

and ask you to be our sample of young Israel

1:11.1

under extreme pressure. You were born in Jerusalem, studied history at

1:15.4

Harvard, archaeology at Cambridge, and then went back to Israel and

1:19.8

co-founded the most popular English language podcast in your country.

1:25.2

Eight months now into a horrifying war in Gaza.

1:28.6

I want to know what you are Israel is going through,

1:31.5

generationally, humanly, where's to begin?

1:34.6

That's a tough question, Chris, is the truth.

1:37.3

On October 6th, 1973, my father was at home sick. It was Yom Kippu. He didn't go to synagogue for I think for the first time in his life.

1:48.0

And my mother who was a new immigrant from America came back from the synagogue and at 2 p.m.

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