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Witness History

The woman born in a prisoner of war camp

Witness History

BBC

History, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.41.6K Ratings

🗓️ 10 June 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

After the Sino-Indian war in 1962, around 3,000 men, women and children were incarcerated in a disused World War Two prisoner of war camp. Indians of Chinese descent were sent there having fallen prey to government suspicion following the war which only lasted a few weeks.

Joy Ma was born in the camp in Deoli, Rajasthan, and spent the first four years of her life there with her family.

She speaks to Reena Stanton-Sharma about her family’s story.

Eye-witness accounts brought to life by archive. Witness History is for those fascinated by the past. We take you to the events that have shaped our world through the eyes of the people who were there. For nine minutes every day, we take you back in time and all over the world, to examine wars, coups, scientific discoveries, cultural moments and much more.

Recent episodes explore everything from football in Brazil, the history of the ‘Indian Titanic’ and the invention of air fryers, to Public Enemy’s Fight The Power, subway art and the political crisis in Georgia. We look at the lives of some of the most famous leaders, artists, scientists and personalities in history, including: visionary architect Antoni Gaudi and the design of the Sagrada Familia; Michael Jordan and his bespoke Nike trainers; Princess Diana at the Taj Mahal; and Görel Hanser, manager of legendary Swedish pop band Abba on the influence they’ve had on the music industry. You can learn all about fascinating and surprising stories, such as the time an Iraqi journalist hurled his shoes at the President of the United States in protest of America’s occupation of Iraq; the creation of the Hollywood commercial that changed advertising forever; and the ascent of the first Aboriginal MP.

(Photo: Joy with her mother Effa Ma. Credit: Joy Ma)

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:15.6

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0:25.4

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0:30.3

Toast. Listen first on BBC Sounds.

0:42.0

Hello, this is the witness History podcast from the BBC World Service.

0:46.2

I'm Reina Stanton Sharma, one of the Witness History team.

0:50.0

We're the podcast that takes you back to a key moment in history,

0:56.6

and we bring it all to life through incredible archive and the amazing memories of a key witness.

1:01.2

Episodes are just nine minutes long and come out every weekday.

1:07.1

If that sounds like your thing, make sure you subscribe wherever you get your BBC podcasts and turn your push notifications on so you never miss a show. For the amazing story I've

1:13.2

got for you today, we're going back to 1963. It's the 25th of January and we're in Hashimara,

1:21.5

northeast India, close to the border of Bhutan. FMR has been preparing for Chinese New Year, an auspicious time in the calendar,

1:30.7

signaling a fresh start.

1:33.0

After going to prayer, we came back home, and so there were about eight policemen, security,

1:39.2

man, with a jeep.

1:40.5

They told us to get ready and take a little bit of clothes, but don't take

1:47.2

more than 500 rupees, leave everything behind. So without telling us anything, they bundle us to

1:53.4

Rajasthan. Effah's family were arrested before being sent to a prisoner of war camp

2:01.5

almost 2,000 kilometres away in a town called Dioli in Rajasthan,

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