From KCRW and KCRW.com, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

Our world was movies, and that's everything we would reference from.

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But first on the news banter, new revelations on the Sony hack, and will NBC dump Trump?

Stay tuned, it's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my fellow banterer Matt Bellany of the Hollywood Reporter.

Hello, Matt.

So a huge, huge piece coming out, well, a trilogy of pieces in Fortune magazine about the Sony hack. And, you know, we covered that closely at the Hollywood Reporter. We talked about it on the air as we record only the first part of this six-month-long investigation is in our hands. But there is some new material in that, including stuff that drives home, the degree of the lack of security at the studio, which had been discussed.

It says the attack itself wasn't necessarily all that sophisticated.

It could have been more so, but it didn't need to be because apparently Sony,

according to one source who talked to them, you know,

rooms that were empty with computers where people had logged in and walked away, and anybody, including the janitor, could have come in and just had their way with the Sony internal system.

Yeah, and a lot of those problems are tied to cost cutting and some of the financial pressures that the studio has been under.

And, you know, there's this other aspect to it where

Michael Linton, the CEO, who has come out of this relatively unscathed. I mean, Amy Pascal,

the co-chairman, really kind of took the fall for this. She lost her job and the racially insensitive

emails came out from her. And she... Lots of embarrassing material. A lot of embarrassing stuff. And

she has basically become the figurehead of this scandal. But this series of articles really points

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