The Economist.

I grew up on America's East Coast, but the first job I got after college was out west, so I put pins in a map to plot out an American classic,

the cross-country road trip.

And as a kid who'd grown up with the X-files,

obviously, I had to pass through Roswell, New Mexico.

Not because I believed the stories that an alien craft had crashed there in the 50s or that

the government was guarding the little green men that were inside.

I, I went for the Kitch and Roswell delivered.

You know who else is skeptical of the conspiracy theories my colleague Michelle Hennessy

but when a story about UFOs came across her desk she couldn't help but go on the hunt for answers. I'm Jason Palmer and you're listening to the weekend intelligence.

The people that think about unidentified flying objects at all tend to have strong feelings, of belief or of skepticism.

Rarely does someone take the straight down the line position of being open to being persuaded.

In today's episode, Michelle sits down with A, the anonymous boss of Enigma Labs.

It's a tech startup whose central mission is to change the conversation about what's taking place in the skies.

I do think culturally this is a really important time as well for what we're doing.

It's really in the zeitgeist, it's in the water. I think we're living in

an uncertain time. Their hope to step away from the science fiction and towards reality.

Hey Michelle, Hi Jason.

Why don't we start with you telling me where you're based? I'm based in our New York office.

Okay, and what is your job title?

Yeah, so I'm the graphic detail editor at the economist, and the graphic detail section, it's basically

our home for visual storytelling and data visualizations, right? So all things, data, charts, maps and so on come across my desk.

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