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This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves.

Welcome to the wave Slate's podcast about gender, feminism, and today anyway, white guys on television.

Every episode you get a new pair of women to talk about the thing. We cannot get off our minds.

And today you have me, Slate's TV critic, and the host of the Dakota Ring podcast Willa Paskin.

And me, Catherine Finarendon. I'm a features writer for Vulture and New York magazine.

So we're going to try this episode to critique the position of white guys on television

without sort of repeating the problem that white guys on television currently present,

which is that they're not the point, and yet they're the point.

I want to dive in by talking about this great piece that Catherine wrote for Vulture about the crisis that white guys are going through on television right now.

Maybe it's not really an emergency. It's not so bad.

So white guys are still, of course, all over television as they are in the world,

but they are on television in a different way, and certainly in some new shows than they have been in the past.

And you can see that in shows like Peacock sitcom, Rutherford Falls, AMC's genre-bending Kevin can f himself.

And the two big hits of summer, HBO's hotel drama, The White Lotus featuring a bevy of white guys who are going to get into,

and of course, Ted Lasso.

Basically, the white guys who used to be TV's default protagonists are not, but who are they?

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