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And in Poland to get to the end state that you when I suspect everyone here desires does require

the Western Alliance to stay firm. We have a presidential election in America next year.

As Max has been saying, there seems to be a little bit of reticence on the part of some of

those in Europe to start with that very long lead time in producing the kind of ammunition and

weaponry that is needed to help the Ukrainians in this war. Are you confident that that Western

Alliance can remain intact and keep the commitment that has been made to Ukraine going forward?

So I can't tell you what will happen in two years. I can tell you that the current US

administration is as Max just said entirely committed to arming Ukrainians to providing them

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