From the New York Times, I'm Sabrina Tavernisie, and this is the Daily.

Just three weeks after presidential candidates Donald Trump and Kamala Harris engaged in a fiery and often hostile debate.

Their running mates, J.D. Vance and Tim Walls met for their own debate and struck a very different chord.

Today, my colleague, political correspondent Reed Epstein,

on why this debate was so different and what it could mean for the race.

It's Wednesday, October 2nd. Okay.

By the way, Reed Epstein has the largest

barrel of M&M's that I've ever seen.

You should have seen the bag of Sour Patch Kids that I bought.

To get through Debate Night, to get through the VP Debate Night, you need some

Sour Patch Kids.

Yeah.

Okay. Let's make a show. Let's make a show, Reed Epstein.

Sabrina.

So it is now 1217 a.m. we are sitting in the studio. You have brought me some

M&M's which I'm very happy about and you know there's a

sort of conventional wisdom in presidential elections that vice presidential debates

are not that important usually by this point in the campaign, you know,

voters have had a lot of time to get to know both the top and the bottom of the

tickets. They're pretty well decided about how they feel about the candidates.

But this year is different. We had one

candidate drop out, Joe Biden. Kamala Harris, the current VP, moved to the top of

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