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Andre Archie is professor of Greek philosophy at Colorado State University.

He is the author of Politics in Socrates Alcibiades and a new book entitled The Virtue of Color Blindness. That's our topic today.

Welcome, Professor Archie. Thank you. Thank you for having me, Mark.

We jump right into the book here. In the preface, you state that deep down Americans, by far most Americans,

know that it's morally right to be colorblind. And yet they've been bullied into believing

that colorblind is in fact a subtle form of racism. Who are the bullies here?

Who's engineered this, this album? So I think that, you know, there's a few individuals that I talk about

in a book. And so with the death of George Floyd, you know, these individuals, and even prior to

the death of George Floyd, but things really got supercharged with the death

of George Floyd. So we're talking about Tonehisi Coates. We're talking about Ibrahimskindy,

Robin DiAngelo, Derek Bell. And so those are the main anti-colorblind advocates. I think

they're racist. These are the advocates that are pushing the

position that to be colorblind is to be racist. And so these are recent individuals that have

emerged from sort of this marginal area of American society. They've been in the classrooms

at the universities. But in fact, Mark,

when you think about it, these discussions have been around for many years. I mean, you'd think back

to the 30s, even to the early 19th century, in the black community. You had Frederick Douglass

arguing against various other black

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