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Real Vision: Finance & Investing

The 'Urban Doom Loop' for Commercial Real Estate w/ Stijn Van Nieuwerburgh

Real Vision: Finance & Investing

Real Vision

Investing, Business News, News, Business

4.11.1K Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2023

⏱️ 64 minutes

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This episode is sponsored by KraneShares KRBN ETF, the first, largest, and most liquid carbon ETF on the market. Please read the prospectus before investing at https://kraneshares.com/KRBN/realvision. Investing involves risk. Principal loss is possible. KRBN is distributed by SEI Investment Distribution Company (SIDCO). With U.S. regional banks already having faltered this year, commercial real estate looks like the next pain point as 60% of CRE debt is held by banks. Ash Bennington welcomes Stijn Van Nieuwerburgh, Earle W. Kazis, and Benjamin Schore professor of real estate at Columbia Business School, to examine the systemic risks CRE poses and what can be done to avoid a crisis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey, everyone. Today's Real Vision Daily Briefing is sponsored by Crane Shares.

0:04.4

Learn about their K-R-B-N-E-T-F at CraneShares.com forward slash K-R-B-N.

0:12.0

Now to the top analysis of today's markets.

0:21.1

Stan von Nuremberg, welcome to Real Vision.

0:23.7

Thanks so much, Ash. Great to be here.

0:26.5

It's a pleasure to have you.

0:28.0

Stan, the title says it all, the Urban Doom Loop for commercial real estate.

0:32.6

I should say you're the Earl Cassis and Benjamin Shore Professor of Real Estate at Columbia

0:38.0

Business School. You've done deep research analysis and modeling work on this.

0:42.0

Stan, what is the Urban Doom Loop?

0:45.8

Well, Ash simply put, it's essentially a downward spiral where when commercial property values

0:51.7

fall in value, that reduces property tax revenue because that tax is tight to the value that

0:57.7

commercial real estate, when cities collect less tax revenue from property, they have to make

1:03.1

up the shortfall somewhere else, either by raising taxes on other items, maybe income tax,

1:08.0

maybe business tax, or by cutting spending, and that could mean less money for transportation,

1:13.0

for sanitation, for education, for transportation, all of which means potentially more grime,

1:19.6

more crime, people moving out, and when people move out, that further depresses real estate values

1:25.8

that further lower tax revenues, that further prompts budget cuts, that leads to further

1:31.6

out migration, and so this loop sort of spirals out of control and spirals down, and the city's

1:36.8

fiscal situation sort of gets out of hand, and this is not unlike what we experienced in New

1:42.2

York City in the 1970s, not unlike what happened more recently to Detroit.

1:47.9

Yeah, those of us who are my age remember what New York City was like in the 80s and 90s,

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