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The Unlikely Pioneer Behind mRNA Vaccines

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 10 June 2021

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

When she was at graduate school in the 1970s, Dr. Katalin Kariko learned about something that would become a career-defining obsession: mRNA. She believed in the potential of the molecule, but for decades ran up against institutional roadblocks. Then, the coronavirus hit and her obsession would help shield millions from a once-in-a-century pandemic. Today, a conversation with Dr. Kariko about her journey. Guest: Gina Kolata, a reporter covering science and medicine for The New York Times.

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0:00.0

From New York Times, I'm Michael Bavaro. This is Adelaide.

0:04.0

Today, as vaccines against COVID-19 bring the worst of a pandemic to an end for millions of people.

0:19.0

My colleague, Gina Calotta, tells the improbable story of a scientist who played a crucial role in creating those vaccines.

0:29.0

And the decades of doubt, disinterest, and dismissal she had to overcome to do so.

0:43.0

It's Thursday, June 10th.

0:51.0

Gina, tell me about this scientist that you have been reporting on.

0:55.0

Lena, she is one of the rare people who not only had a really interesting, great idea which sounded out of the realm of possibility, but never gave up.

1:09.0

My name is Kotelin Koriko. I am a biochemist.

1:12.0

Her name is Kotelin Koriko, but she goes by Katie.

1:17.0

And once I started to talk to her, I wanted to hear more and more and more.

1:22.0

Now, could you start by telling me where you grew up?

1:26.0

I grew up in a small Hungarian town called Tishu Salash. There are 10,000 people lives there.

1:34.0

She grew up in a little town in Hungary, in communist Hungary.

1:38.0

I grew up in a very simple household. We had an Adobe house with redroof.

1:46.0

We didn't have running waters. We didn't have refrigerator or television.

1:52.0

But I didn't know that we don't have this because none of our neighbors had one.

1:56.0

So everybody was the same. And her father was a butcher and her mother was a bookkeeper.

2:03.0

But she was always interested in science.

2:07.0

What made you think about science? Did you have a teacher?

2:12.0

Was there anything in particular that made you think of science?

2:16.0

When I was a child, my father was a butcher and I was always seeing how he cut up the pig.

2:23.0

And I was watching, meanwhile, my sister, older sister, running the house.

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