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Inquiry with Kelly Chase

[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 11: Nazis & UFOs [Pt 1]: The Emergence Of UFO Lore

Inquiry with Kelly Chase

SpectreVision Radio

Documentary, Society & Culture, Social Sciences, Science

4.51.1K Ratings

🗓️ 19 May 2022

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

In part one of this 3-part series on the UFO lore connected to WWII and Nazi Germany, we begin by doing a deep dive into the emergence of UFO lore itself. While there is a ton of UFO lore connected to WWII, what is largely considered to be the first modern UFO sighting didn’t happen until 1947—2 years after the war ended. So to understand exactly what was going on during WWII, we need to first understand, not just how UFO lore first emerged, but how belief systems in general emerge and evolve over time.We’ll talk about the ontological complexity of the 20th century, the sequence of events in 1947 that shaped our modern understanding of the phenomenon, and dive deeper into the mystery surrounding the lore to ask some of the bigger questions. This includes one question that I never thought I’d ask, which is—could the emergence of UFO mythology be the seeds of a modern religion?A massive shout out to Diana Walsh Pasulka for her incredible book, American Cosmic, which helped me look at the phenomenon in a whole new light and played a big role in shaping this episode.NEW Class from Dr. James MaddenUnidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the WorldFour-week online class via ZoomWednesdays, March 27 – April 24 (skips April 10), 20247 – 9 pm ETLearn More About the ClassSign Up NowMENTIONED IN EPISODE:American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology by D.W. PasulkaIn Plain Sight: An Investigation Into UFOs and Impossible Science by Ross CoulthartLuis Elizondo on EarthFiles with Linda Moutlon HoweGET THE EPISODE BRIEFBECOME A PATRONGET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebookMUSICTheme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun FrearsonBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-ufo-rabbit-hole-podcast--5746035/support. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The

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The Welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole podcast. I'm your host, Kelly Chase. Today we begin a three-part series exploring the complex,

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and, if we're being honest, utterly bizarre UFO lore that has grown up out of the ashes of

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World War II. But before we dive into that, I think it's important to take some time to

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understand both the emergence of UFO lore and how belief systems emerge in general.

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And I'll be honest, this episode is probably the most challenging thing that I've ever had to

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write. I'll warn you now that there are no easy answers in what follows. There's no way to wrap

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it all up neatly with a bow. This topic is both full of tantalizing patterns and frustrating inconsistencies.

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It's messy and incomplete, absurd, and impenetrable.

1:21.3

Studying the UFO phenomenon reminds me of looking through a kaleidoscope.

1:26.0

With each twist in turn, new colors and structures

1:29.0

emerge before falling apart to form new ones. It's a riot of both randomness and symmetry.

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And through observation of these ever-shifting forms, we can begin to guess at the internal mechanism

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that creates them. But until we can bust it open and see what really lies

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beneath, we have no way of knowing for sure how closely the models that we form in our mind mirror

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reality. We may never be able to bust open the UFO phenomenon. We may never know what really

1:57.5

lies beneath its utterly baffling manifestations. But it's important to our understanding

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of it that we absorb as much of it as we can and allow ourselves to sit with the disquiet

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of not being able to fully resolve what we see into one consistent narrative. But before we begin,

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I'd like to take a moment to give credit and express gratitude to Dr. Diana Walsh Basolka for her book, American Cosmic.

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I really struggled as I began to work on this series. In thinking about things like the rise of Nazi Germany and the emergence of modern UFO lore, I found myself coming back again and again to the idea of belief

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systems, both how we shape them and how they shape us. I felt instinctively that there was a larger

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