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The U.S. spent billions to rebuild Afghanistan. Was it successful?

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🗓️ 20 December 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

A new report from U.S. government watchdog SIGAR gives us the fullest accounting yet of U.S. efforts to rebuild Afghanistan.

In short, they call it "a two-decade long effort fraught with waste.”

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0:00.0

It's Consider This from NPR.

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I'm Mary Louise Kelly.

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is in our episode notes.

0:45.3

20 years. Notice how long the U.S. fought in Afghanistan from the invasion in 2001 to the chaotic withdrawal in 2021. The United States has poured billions into rebuilding the country,

0:51.9

and now we have the fullest accounting yet of what those

0:55.8

billions bought. It comes in the form of a report from a U.S. government watchdog, the special

1:01.7

inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction, known as Cigar. This is the final report

1:07.5

from Cigar. The agency shuts down next month, and it chronicles, and I am quoting, a two-decade-long effort fraught with waste.

1:16.5

John Sopko was the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction.

1:20.9

We have interviewed him many times over the years.

1:23.1

Today he's in the studio with me in person.

1:25.8

Mr. Sopko, good to see you and speak with you once again.

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Well, thank you for inviting me.

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It is a pleasure to be here.

1:31.3

So this is a report that runs 137 pages.

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It summarizes years, the full accounting, the totality of cigars work.

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If I were to ask you to write the headline in a sentence or two, what would it be?

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The headline is we spent 20 years in Afghanistan and spent $144 billion on reconstruction,

1:55.6

and the vast majority of it was a failure. This report identified the failures and identified how much that

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