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🗓️ 9 July 2025
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The United Nations is a storied institution, but it lacks teeth to actually make a difference. Journalist Amanda Chicago Lewis joins host Krys Boyd to discuss why U.N. resolutions are easily ignored, how red tape keeps workers from forwarding policy recommendations, and why the culture inside the agency belies the peaceful exterior it tries to project. Her article “Wishful Thinking” was published in Harper’s.
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| 0:00.0 | You know that trope of movies about space-faring civilizations? |
| 0:13.8 | The scene where diplomats gather in a grand auditorium or around a horseshoe-shaped |
| 0:18.5 | conference table to hammer out intergalactic agreements, |
| 0:21.6 | the obvious inspiration there is the United Nations, the extraordinary institution founded |
| 0:26.6 | to give our planet's leaders a venue in which every country, large or small, rich or poor, |
| 0:32.6 | can have a voice in matters of international importance. |
| 0:35.6 | The space version is fiction, of course, and upon closer examination, the real thing is more |
| 0:42.2 | symbolic than successful often in making the world a safer place. |
| 0:47.1 | From KERA in Dallas, this is think. |
| 0:49.7 | I'm Chris Boyd. |
| 0:51.4 | Journalist Amanda Chicago-Lewis had to jump through some maddening bureaucratic hoops |
| 0:55.3 | to gain her credentialed access to the UN for a period of several months. And as we'll hear, |
| 1:00.5 | that turned out to be an unexpected preview of what she would discover once she was allowed |
| 1:05.0 | to observe the United Nations up close. Her article about this appears in Harper's Magazine, |
| 1:10.1 | titled Wishful Thinking. Amanda, |
| 1:12.1 | welcome back to think. Thanks for having me, Chris. Many people, I think, associate the UN with |
| 1:18.0 | gravitas. So the scene you share at the very beginning of this story was kind of a revelation. |
| 1:23.4 | It was a holiday season concert held at a church in Manhattan. |
| 1:28.7 | What was the vibe there? |
| 1:39.4 | So this was a UN recreational staff, UN staff recreational council singer group. |
| 1:46.2 | So that means people who work at the UN and a couple of their friends performing holiday songs at a church in Manhattan. You know, it had a very multicultural, what we would associate with the UN energy. |
| 1:55.3 | If you looked at the program in terms of the songs they chose, it felt very politically neutral. |
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