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Welcome to the Tudor Dixon podcast. I have Gary Shappley with me today. He is a longtime IRS employee. And also a word that you

probably have heard before, he's a whistleblower. He came forward after watching the Biden

DOJ allow Hunter Biden to skate on his serious tax charges. Gary, thank you so much for joining

me today. Yeah, thank you for having me, Tudor. Appreciate it.

Absolutely. So I've read some of your op-eds that you've put out there, and I just want to say,

we appreciate the fact that you were willing to step forward because you should be protected. You should be able to come out and say, hey, there is a citizen who hasn't done what citizens

are meant to do, and it needs to be reviewed.

But you've been attacked over this. You've been sued over this. Tell us a little bit about

what it's like when the DOJ doesn't have your back like they're supposed to.

Yeah, it's been, you know, I wouldn't change the thing to start everything. I start the whole

conversation. You know, when someone

see something wrong like this, you got to step forward. And when people say the words,

choose your battles, every time someone says that, kind of tears away from the integrity

a little bit. So this was a battle that I just, I didn't, it wasn't a choice to choose. I just

had to go forward and to do what I did.

And coming forward and I think that all the, all the things that have been so far with,

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