This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome to the Tudor Dixon podcast. We are so happy to welcome back,

Robert P. George. He is one of America's leading conservative legal scholars and the founder of the

James Madison program in American ideals and institutions at Princeton University.

Also happens to be friends with a progressive

Cornell West, which seems impossible, but that's kind of what we're going to talk about today,

because you have co-authored a joint op-ed in the Washington Post about cultivating civic

friendship at universities, which I totally love. Welcome back. Thank you. It's great to be back

with you, Tudor. I say that it's interesting that you are friends because that's kind of the

conversation that you continue to have is that because we disagree with someone on certain points

does not mean we should never speak to them or have

feelings of anger toward them. Absolutely right. Look, we're all together in this veil of tears,

doing the best we can. Every single one of us is a frail, fallen, fallible human being.

All of us know this much that we aren't right about everything. There are some

things we're wrong about. We just don't know which things those are. We believe what we believe,

knowing that some of our beliefs are, they can't all be correct. So some of our beliefs

are going to be incorrect? Now, how are we ever going to make some progress?

We'll never perfectly get into a situation where we only have true beliefs in our head.

But how can we get to a situation where we can swap out as many false beliefs as we can

and replace them with true beliefs?

Well, you're certainly not going to get there if you only talk to people who already agree with you

and who confirm you and everything you say.

What Brother Cornell West and I have in common, despite our vast political differences,

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