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The Philip DeFranco Show

The Truth About Trump’s Joe Rogan Problem

The Philip DeFranco Show

philip defranco

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4.71.1K Ratings

🗓️ 5 February 2026

⏱️ 34 minutes

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0:00.0

So Trump's war in Minnesota, it looks far from over, but the people that live there, they just landed a heavy blow to Trump's stormtroopers. Starting with the fact that yesterday, they waved goodbye to a whole lot of federal troopers. I have announced effective immediately. We will draw down 700 people affected today. That, of course, as Trump's borders are, Tom Homan, and as for the reason, he's pulling those guys out, I'll let his boss explain. Did that come from you?

0:22.0

Yes, it did. But it didn't come from me because I just wanted to do it.

0:26.4

We are waiting for them to release prisoners, give us the murderers that they're holding,

0:33.0

and all of the bad people, drug dealers, all of the bad people.

0:36.5

But we've gotten a lot of them out.

0:37.8

So crime now in Minnesota, crime now in Minneapolis is down. Crime in all cities is down. Now while it's true that crime is down nationwide, it didn't just start plummeting everywhere that Trump sent his secret police. The crime's actually been going down for several years now, and in Minneapolis in particular, the records kind of mix. You've got certain things like homicide, burglary, breaking and entering, and destruction of property declining from last year, but other violent crimes like assault offenses, sex offenses, and motor vehicle theft, they've gone up. Plus, you also have to consider the many ways that the federal surge has impeded regular law enforcement by causing civil unrest, overloading 911 dispatchers, and clogged up the federal courts in jails. How, even the Minnesota fraud case that kicked this whole shit storm off there, it's been thrown into disarray by Trump's chaos regime, right?

1:15.5

Because CBS reports that the four prosecutors who are leading it, they won't be in court at the next trial because they've all left the U.S. attorney's office in Minnesota. And you've got sources citing a number of reasons for their departure, including caseload management, structural issues with the office, the Trump administration's influence on the office, and concerns related to Operation Metro Search. So whereas the office had 70 assistant US attorneys under Biden, now under Trump, it's only got as few as 17. And so Trump's DOJ, they tried to fill the ranks with prosecutors from neighboring districts, even from Michigan, as well as from DHS, and the military, but even some of those people, they're not happy with their new assignments. Which is then how you get that lawyer who told a judge on Tuesday, quote, this job sucks and then asked to be held in contempt so she could just get some sleep. But of course, you know, the facts be damned. Trump has still declared victory in Minnesota, just like he declared victory in D.C. And just like the National Guard are still in the capital, some 2,300 federal agents will remain in the Minneapolis area after these 700 leave,

2:02.7

compared to the measly 80 who were there before December. Also, I'll say notably with all this, when you had NBC's Tom Yamas asking Trump what he learned for Minneapolis, his answer was ambiguous. Maybe we can use a little bit of a softer touch, but you still have to be tough. These are criminals, we're dealing with really hard criminals. But you also had Trump seeming to suggest that going forward, if mayors or governors don't want his goons in their state, he won't actually send them there. I say, they have to ask and they have to say, please. I don't want to go and force ourselves into a city, even if their numbers are terrible. Which cities are you headed to next? We have five cities that we're looking at very strongly, but we want to be invited. Now, of course, that is Donald Trump. And with Trump, his words worth about as much as the pumpkin-colored makeup on his skin, but I will say this shift in tone, it does match some of the reporting that we've seen most notably about what may be a riff between him and Stephen Miller. Or because you have White House officials telling the Wall Street Journal that Stephen Miller has been an architect in almost every boundary-pushing effort in Trump's second term. The boat strikes in the Caribbean. Miller, the enlistment of the FBI and immigration enforcement. Miller, having the State Department pressure other countries to accept migrants. Miller, the whole policy of going into Democratic cities and indiscriminately rounding up people regardless of their criminal records.

3:11.2

Miller, the target of 3,000 arrests per day, the $50,000 bonuses for new recruits, the raids

3:16.2

at day labor response like Home Depot. Miller, Miller, Miller. I mean, according to the journal,

3:20.6

he personally drafted or edited every executive order that the president has signed. He pushed to invoke the Alien Enemies Act to deport people to El Salvador. He pushed to invoke the Insurrection Act in Minneapolis. And then you have sources claiming he was the one who actually started the whole Renee Good as a domestic terrorist assassin narrative, even though he blames Border Patrol for feeding him bad information. And actually after the shooting, senior officials debated whether to even continue the crackdown in Minneapolis, Miller was right there, reportedly arguing that Trump should deploy even more agents, not less. Now with all that, I'll say, one, in no way does this absolve Donald Trump from anything. He's the president, he's the person who ultimately gets to decide things. And also with that, too, I'm not even saying that Trump's deeply emotionally bothered by the response to good or Pared's murders. In fact, this is what he had to say to Yamas about them. Well, look, I'm not happy with the two incidents. He was not an angel and she was not an angel. You know, you look at some tapes from back, but still, I'm not happy with what happened there. But I'm going to always be with our great people of law enforcement.

4:15.7

You mentioned Renee Good and not out, and Alex Paredes, not being angels. Do you think any of that

4:21.3

justified what happened to them, though? No, I don't. It should have not happened. You know who feels

4:26.4

worse about it than anybody? The people of ICE. You know, with all this, if we believe the journal

4:30.1

sources, Trump is aware of how bad the shootings look,

4:32.6

that he is aware of the polling. And so they say that he's told advisors that he wasn't comfortable with how far Miller has gone on some fronts and that business officials are calling and complaining to him about long-time workers being thrown out of the country. Also, of course, a big thing that people have been talking about are a few high profile manosphere bros kind of wincing at the optics of these immigration policies.

4:49.3

With that including most recently, Andrew Schultz, who we talked about, though, the one that Yamas asked Trump about was Joe Rogan. You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming around, snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be U.S. citizens that just don't have their papers on them. Are we really going to be the Gestapo? Where's your papers? What's your response to him? Look, first of all, he's a great guy. We had a tremendous success before the election. I think it was his biggest interview ever, and over 300 million people. It was very good. I spoke to him three days ago. We had a great conversation. Just had a good conversation. I think he's a great guy. I think he likes me too. So, you know, not really an actual answer to the question that was asked. So actually, if anything, I'll say with that answer, it kind of shows that maybe he's scared of these audiences turning on him. Because whether Don and Joe, they're still buddy, buddy, and my belief is that, you know, these guys, these podcasters they'll kiss the ring if the

5:37.8

polling goes the other way the polling right now it does not look good for trump right a new

5:41.3

merris survey just came out and it is brutal you had 56% of people disapproving of his job

5:45.3

performance overall including 51% who strongly disapprove while just 39% approve and on immigration

5:50.6

specifically right which in the election cycle was his winning issue two-thirds of americans say ICE has gone too far in an 11-point increase since last summer. But Trump's response to all this, it's been the same as it's always been. Well, I don't believe the polls, for one thing. The polls are almost dishonest, almost as dishonest as some of the reporters themselves. Now with that, I will say, although the polls are definitely not fake, they can be a little misleading if you only look at the broad overall numbers. Because when you narrow it down to just Republicans, their support it remains fucking ironclad despite everything that's happened over the past year. 85% of them approve of Trump's performance in general and roughly 80% approve of how he's handled the economy and foreign policy. And then on things like immigration, almost three quarters think that ICE is doing a good job,

6:27.6

and 77% say that ICE is making Americans safer. But all of that said, a big key thing is that Trump has lost support among younger people, Latinos, and independents. And these are demographics that help push him over the line in 2024. In fact, with every single question that was asked there, independence aligned with Democrats, often overwhelmingly. But then with all that, to the extent that Donald Trump does believe these numbers are real. He doesn't blame anything that he's actually

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