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Rational Security

The “Trump and Elon Both Love Lawfare” Edition

Rational Security

The Lawfare Institute

Foreignpolicy, Nationalsecurity, News, Government, Politics, Middleeast

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2024

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

This week, Alan and Quinta sat down with Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes to talk through the week’s big national security news, including:

  • “Ayatollahs and Airstrikes.” In retaliation for an Israeli strike that killed several high-ranking Iranian military officers in Syria, over the weekend Iran launched a wave of drone and missile attacks against Israel. The vast majority of these were shot down by Israel and its allies, including notably Jordan, causing minimal injuries and damage in Israel. As Israel considers whether to respond, its American and European allies are putting pressure on it to deescalate. What’s Israel’s next move and can broader regional war be avoided?
  • “Beginning of the end or just the end of the beginning?” It has been six months since Hamas’s attack on October 7 and the start of Israel’s war in Gaza, which appears to be entering a new, potentially lower-intensity phase. Israel has withdrawn most of its troops from southern Gaza, although it still argues that it needs to invade Rafah, on the border with Egypt, to defeat Hamas. Meanwhile, violence between Jewish settlers and Palestinians in the West Bank continues to increase. What’s next in the ongoing conflict?
  • “What’s a little obstruction between friends?” Earlier this week, the Supreme Court heard oral argument in Fischer v. United States, a case challenging the government’s use of a common statute used to prosecute participants in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. The six conservative Justices appeared skeptical of the government’s argument that a statute that makes it a crime to “obstruct any official proceeding” applies to physical disruptions. How is the Court likely to rule and how might such a ruling affect Donald Trump’s federal trial for trying to overthrow the 2020 election?

For object lessons, Quinta recommended a throwing-the-wife-under-the-bus update in New Jersey's Senator Bob Menendez's ongoing legal troubles, and Alan and Ben both recommended excellent, if anxiety-inducing, national security themed movies: the recently released Civil War and the upcoming War Game.

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0:00.0

So Ben I hear your hard at work editing our jury selection coverage in the in the

0:06.3

hush money case. How's that going? You know jury selection is super super important and trying to make it like compelling

0:19.3

narrative for for the lay reader. You know that's that takes editorial chops.

0:27.0

What do you mean? What about juror number B 7,436? I mean you know.

0:32.0

Who might be an oncological nurse.

0:35.0

I will say that I thought it was very funny.

0:39.0

I'm just, I was not in New York.

0:41.0

We're getting this from our Fearless Managing editor Tyler McBryan who attended jury selection.

0:46.0

According to Tyler and the poll reports, there appears to have been an extended period Tuesday when Trump had to sit there.

0:57.1

Well, Justice Murchin read out mean tweets that potential jurors had since about him

1:05.2

because his Trump's lawyers were trying to get those potential jurors struck.

1:10.9

And I will just say that sitting in court while a judge reads nasty tweets that other people

1:17.4

sent about me, such as an AI video of Trump saying I'm an idiot with an expletive in it. That's just that's a nightmare

1:27.2

right there. I mean I look I think you know this may be justice that he has to sit there and who cares if he's

1:38.6

convicted he just has to sit there and listen to mean tweets about him right

1:41.6

exactly he he gets to sit there, has to sit there, and listen to what random New Yorkers have said about

1:50.4

him.

1:51.4

That's a special vision of hell. The other thing is that like he obviously used to

1:58.3

tweet and now truths a lot, but he used it more as like a broadcast service, like he wouldn't engage or respond to other people's

2:08.0

tweets about him. So someone pointed out, like this may actually be the first time

2:13.9

that he's seeing some of these posts making fun of him.

2:17.2

Yeah, I also, I just want to say, like,

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