Hello, and welcome back to the Timistic Institute podcast. My name is Father Gregory Pine. This is an off-campus

conversation, which began as a way of following up with Mystic Institute speakers after they had

given lectures on campus, but has become more freewheeling and free dealing, affording me the

opportunity to just have conversations with people who have interesting insights into all manner

of knowable things. So I'm delighted for this episode to be

joined by Professor Thomas Hibbs. Thanks so much for joining. Glad to be here. So I first

came across you slash learn from you and picking up a couple of the books that you wrote, the year

that I was assigned in Louisville, Kentucky, I had like two hours and

15 minutes in the morning to study. And so I was working on virtue theory, and I profited from

the book on metaphysics and action, and then Virtue's Splendor. It was like one of your

footnotes and Virtue's Splendor about the gifts of the Holy Spirit, which convinced me that I

didn't really know anything about the subject, and that I probably should stop declaiming as if I did.

So thank you for occasioning and causing humility in me.

But also, you know, a great contributor to Things to Mystic Institute, whether conferences

or lectures on campus or supporting the chapter there at Baylor.

So most recently, how are things? And I suppose, what are things? What are the things in which you were involved at present? Because it looks

like you are somewhere far away from Waco, Texas. I'm not far from you. Just down the road in D.C.

I've seen somewhere in a row that I've been running a program for Baylor undergraduates.

We've got 12 students here this summer on religion and public life.

And the students are in internships.

And then we have academic seminars for them and spiritual reflection, sort of ecumenical spiritual reflection, because we've got

students from a variety of denominations, and then helping them to try and discern and think about,

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