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Hello and welcome to Conflicted,

the history podcast where we talk about the struggles that shaped us,

the hard questions that they pose,

and why we should care about any of it.

I'm your host, Zach Cornwell,

and this is episode two,

The Tiger and the Turtle.

Music And this is episode two, the tiger and the turtle. Tucked away in a sleepy suburban neighborhood in the city of Kyoto, Japan, there's a small man-made hill.

It doesn't get many visitors. You won't find tourists snapping selfies. You won't find packed food stalls or crowded gift shops. And you definitely won't find a whole lot of locals

willing to talk about it. Historian Stephen Turnbull once called it, quote,

Kyoto's least mentioned and most often avoided tourist attraction.

Because this unassuming 35-foot hill,

encircled by a simple iron gate and situated next to a children's playground,

...