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The Three-Headed Beast Leading U.S. Foreign Policy

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate

News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2019

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Slate’s Fred Kaplan explains how two different Trump advisers, Mike Pompeo and John Bolton, are trying to carry out U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Tell us what you think by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts or sending an email to [email protected]. Follow us on Instagram for updates on the show. Podcast production by Mary Wilson and Jayson De Leon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:06.0

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0:18.0

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0:23.0

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0:35.0

For the last week or so, President Trump's foreign policy advisors have been ping-ponging around the Middle East, meeting with leaders in Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia.

0:44.0

This isn't one road trip, it's two. National Security Advisor John Bolton is landing one place. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is landing in another.

0:53.0

You know, the point of all these kinds of trips is to sort of shore up the allies, assure them that everything's okay, that their interests are being taken into account, that they're pals.

1:05.0

Back here in the US, Fred Kaplan has been watching and listening to what these guys have to say. He slates national security correspondent. And he says, there's this problem.

1:15.0

The idea is to clarify what policy is, but there is no clear policy.

1:23.0

Because this administration makes decisions on the fly, Trump's deputies are engaging in a form of political improv.

1:31.0

Especially after the president decided to withdraw 2000 US troops from Syria, with the stroke of a tweet just before the holidays.

1:38.0

Well, I mean, the tweet reportedly originated on the phone with Erdogan, the president of Turkey. Erdogan's motive is he wants to crush the Syrian Kurds whom we've been protecting.

1:51.0

And so Trump apparently says, you know, you're right. I'm out of here. It's yours. And even Erdogan supposedly said, well, wait, maybe not right away. Don't be too hasty about this.

2:05.0

So this trip over the last week, it's like the cleanup crew. Like I think of my guy, here's the problem though. What are they?

2:13.0

The elephant keeps crapping on the circus floor. So the cleanup crew. What are they cleaning up?

2:19.0

And what you, I mean, what you're laying out is really like foreign policy that then becomes filtered through each individual who kind of has their own motivation.

2:28.0

Exactly.

2:29.0

Bolton, Pompeo, they go overseas under the guise of clarifying foreign policy. They try to put their own stamp on it.

2:39.0

Today, Fred is going to take us inside the minds of these two men who are implicitly and explicitly crafting US policy. One foreign visit at a time.

2:52.0

Mike Pompeo and John Bolton don't always agree with each other or with the president. But as the US military begins shutting down their operations in Syria, Fred and I will try to figure out what comes next in the Middle East.

3:09.0

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3:25.0

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