The This is Monica Perez here with Steve Poickenen, whom I originally met on Slow News Day,

but you probably know him from AM Wake Up, a daily show first thing in the morning on

Rockman, God bless him. But I see him all the time because we share a screen on Union of

The Unwanted, which I think we both feel very privileged to be such frequent guests there.

Thank you so much for joining me Steve. I know you're a busy guy. How are you doing?

Oh, I'm fantastic. Monica, thank you for having me on and yeah I do I always for the first year and a half on

Union of the unwanted I kind of felt like imposter syndrome me and I did just yeah it is it's a it's a magical

place it really I remember my first show there I was like so completely like excited to be a part of it and I had to actually get some courage even though I'd been at like a literally broadcaster for 10 years or whatever. I was a little nervous saying something and the first thing I said was something like

well Trump is fake and this is how I know and I will tell you that first day there were I

was expecting you know big snaps and I didn't know I get all the big snaps I was expecting big snaps and I didn't get all the big snaps I was hoping for and I was like oh I totally read this wrong but but what I had discovered with the Union of the unwanted is that it does not you can say whatever you want like nobody nobody gets annoyed there's no like there is absolutely no censorship

There's no like literally no agenda so anyway they invited me back and I love it so and it's always

fun to see you there and nobody shouts over anybody there's never any very minimal hijacking. I'm an interruptor as you can see because I just

interrupted you but. I mean it's you know but that's natural flow of conversation and

that's that's different than you need to bully your way into the

conversation so that you can have your minutes on a popular podcast or whatever it is and that doesn't happen that's all that's true and

that's that's it is like as you hope for humanity that we are like naturally

civilized you know what I mean like that's as an anarchist I feel like it's good to see people

behaving without enforcement but you also I mean I just you do and wake up it's like

three hours every single week day is that correct?

I'd been I took Friday off over the summer because my kids were here and

we're just about to the point that we're going to reincorporate Fridays.

But yeah, for a couple of years now, I've been getting up early and doing some sort version of the

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