Okay, we are alive. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show of a very special guest. Her name is Cortine Turner. First name is spelled C-O-U-R-T-E-N-A-Y, and it's Turner, and she is the proprietor of the Cortine Turner podcast. It's in the top 1.5% podcasts in the world. And I was on her show back in late

December. We talked about the whole Valenciaaga scandal. But then we kind of touch bases on social

media. I know she's done a lot of research into the subject, which is in the title of this

talk, which is the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations. I didn't know how much

she did. So I was just kind of scrolling through her catalog. And I saw she's been on a lot of shows

talking about this subject, which is overlap with some of my research. So we were supposed to go

live last week, but I just had a conflict. I really wasn't ready. But in that time, I've kind of

covered the two main

books that I know of. And we're kind of talking to pre-show about that, which is the Tavistock Institute

of Human Affairs by John Coleman and then the Daniel Estillan book. Tavistock Institute,

social engineering, the masses. And one was, I think, there she is is she's holding them up right there um so the

first one i think was by coleman which was put out in 2005 and then the excellent book i think it was like

2011 but there was a re maybe a second edition or something like that in 2015 but um she has her website is her full name So I'll put links to all this in the show notes.

Show notes. She's on Twitter, truth, social, Instagram, Telegram. And she also has articles at

truth matters.biz. And I'll put links to her link tree as well. But this is an interesting subject.

It overlaps with some of my early research about this whole kind of mind control and just like writ large,

even recently in this whole COVID event and the mass social engineering is really remarkable.

But it goes all the way back.

It goes back very far, probably to the late 19th century or the 20th century.

But she can talk more about that. So Cortinae Turner, welcome to the late 19th century early 20th century but she can talk more about that so

Cortonay turner welcome to the show thank you so much for having me excellent so for people who may

not have heard your name or what you're up to or your research maybe you could do a little bit of

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