I'm Aisha Roscoe, and this is the Sunday story, where we go beyond the news to bring you one big story.

This year marks five years since George Floyd was killed by Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin,

an event that shook the country and sparked a wave of protests against police

brutality in black communities. To reflect on what's changed and what hasn't, I sat down with

Ryan Ross and his son Gavin. Ryan is the CEO of the Urban Leadership Foundation of Colorado,

which works to empower black leaders

through training and everything from public speaking

and entrepreneurship to conflict resolution and negotiation.

At the time of our conversation,

Gavin was a high school sophomore.

Like so many black families,

they've had the talk. What's the talk?

The talk is a painful conversation black parents have to have with their children about the burdens of navigating encounters with law enforcement as a black person in America.

It aims to prepare black children, especially black boys, for a world where authority

figures may perceive them as a threat because of their race.

You know, we have had this conversation many times, and every time I hear him express his

feelings, I am enraged because

this is what I was trying to protect him from.

That's coming up after the break. Stay with us.

This summer on Planet Money Summer School, we're learning about political economy.

We're getting into the

nitty-gritty of what government does with things like trade, taxes, immigration, and health care.

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