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So the origin of this idea for a conversation between you two came out of these two realities.

On the one hand, there's, from what I see, there's a lot of common ground, a lot of similarities

between the two of you. You both are preaching

pastors, you both have writing and speaking ministries beyond your congregations. You're both

founders of institutions of higher education, New St Andrews, Chancellor Bethlehem College, and seminary.

You both have evangelistic fathers.

Fathers from ministry were very evangelistically oriented.

There's the theological kinship, reform theory. fathers from ministry who are very evangelistically oriented.

There's the theological kinship,

reformed theology, Calvinism, and so forth.

And at the same time, this is the other side,

there's a lot of differences.

Um,

uh, Pano Baptist, Baptist. differences.

Pado Baptist, pre-Mennial, post-Moleennial.

And then beyond that, just kind of a ministry philosophy tone ethos emphasis and other differences there

and so what we thought would be helpful would be to kind of explore some of those

overarching common ground and and then some of those differences as well.

So I want to begin kind of here with a segment on the big picture.

Both of you have mission statements that guide and govern your lives, your ministries, churches.

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