meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The Daily

The Sunday Read: ‘The Social Life of Forests’

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 6 December 2020

⏱️ 49 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Foresters once regarded trees as solitary individuals: They competed for space and resources, but were otherwise indifferent to one another. The work of the Canadian ecologist Suzanne Simard upended that, finding that while there is indeed conflict in a forest, there is also negotiation, reciprocity and even selflessness. Ms. Simard discovered that underground fungal threads link nearly every tree in a forest. On today’s Sunday Read, listen to an exploration of these links and the influential and contentious work of Ms. Simard. This story was written by Ferris Jabr and recorded by Audm. To hear more audio stories from publishers like The New York Times, download Audm for iPhone or Android.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

This is a paid advertisement from BetterHelp Therapy Online.

0:04.7

When you're at your best, you can do great things, but you can't be at the top of your

0:09.2

game all the time.

0:10.8

Working with a therapist can get you closer to the best version of you.

0:14.9

BetterHelp can provide access to over a thousand mental health professionals with a wide

0:19.0

variety of expertise.

0:21.0

Get 10% off your first month at BetterHelp.com slash daily pod.

0:25.6

Hi, I'm Ferris Jaber and for this week's issue of The New York Times magazine, I wrote

0:37.6

about a scientist named Suzanne Samard who changed the way we think about the fundamental

0:43.6

nature of forests.

0:47.4

In biology in general, one of the most fundamental principles is that all individuals compete

0:52.8

with each other for space and resources.

0:56.2

It is this ruthless competition between individuals and between species that drives a lot of

1:01.9

evolution, that's what forces organisms to become more adapted to their environments

1:08.3

and to outcompete others.

1:10.0

It's all about leaving more offspring.

1:13.0

I think for a long time, biologists, botanists, foresters, thought of trees as competing individuals.

1:22.3

But Suzanne has shown that that model is far too simplistic.

1:27.0

There's clearly a lot more going on in a forest and in an ecosystem, there's negotiation,

1:32.6

there's compromise, there's reciprocity.

1:36.9

So much of what Suzanne studies is about connectivity and I think right now, because of the pandemic,

1:43.7

the pandemic has really revealed just how connected we all are and how vulnerable we become

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from The New York Times, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of The New York Times and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.