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Intelligence Squared

The Sunday Debate: Revere or Remove? The Battle Over Statues, Heritage and History

Intelligence Squared

Intelligence Squared

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4.21.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 January 2023

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Statues and memorials to famous figures of the past adorn our towns and cities but what should be done when some of these figures have come to be seen by many people as controversial symbols of oppression and discrimination? In Britain, the Rhodes Must Fall campaign hit the headlines when it demanded the removal of the statue of Cecil Rhodes from Oxford’s Oriel College, of which he was a leading benefactor, because of his colonialism. In the US, violent protests in Charlottesville were sparked by a decision to remove from a park a statue of Robert E. Lee, a Confederate general in the American Civil War, because of the association of the Confederacy with slavery. Passions run high on both sides. Are those calling for the removal of controversial statues seeking to right an historical injustice or are they trying to erase history? And are those who object to removing memorials defending the indefensible or are they conserving historical reality, however unpalatable that may be? To discuss these emotive questions and examine the broader cultural conflicts which lie behind them, Intelligence Squared joined forces with Historic England to bring together a stellar panel including historians David Olusoga and Peter Frankopan, the journalist and author Afua Hirsch and the cultural commentator Tiffany Jenkins. The event was chaired by Guardian columnist, broadcaster and author Jonathan Freedland.  This debate was made in Partnership with Historic England, on the 14th of May 2018 in London and was produced by Executive Producer Hannah Kaye — We’d love to hear your feedback and what you think we should talk about next, who we should have on and what our future debates should be.  Send us an email or voice note with your thoughts to podcasts@intelligencesquared.com or Tweet us @intelligence2.  And if you’d like to support our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations, as well as ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content, early access and much more, become a supporter of Intelligence Squared today. Just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to the Intelligent Squared podcast.

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This week's episode, Revere or Remove, the battle over statues, heritage and history

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was produced in partnership with Historic England.

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Thank you.

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Thank you all very much to that very warm welcome.

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We are indeed here to discuss a topic which has been in the public mind, both here and

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in the United States, really for most of our good chunk of the last year or so.

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It is as the title puts it, Revere or Remove, the battle over statues, heritage and history.

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And really our subject in a way is memory and how we grapple with that publicly.

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