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The Sunday Debate: Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism

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🗓️ 18 July 2021

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

For this week's episode of The Sunday Debate, we revisit our debate "Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism" from 2019. Is there a country in the world that attracts so much criticism as Israel? Studies consistently show Israel to be one of the most disliked nations in the world (along with Iran and North Korea). But how much of this is to do with genuine concern about Israel’s actions, and how much is actually a cover for the age-old hatred of the Jews? Is what we are seeing here anti-Zionism – broadly understood as opposition to the existence of a Jewish state in the territory of Israel – or is it anti-Semitism? Arguing in favour of the motion were Melanie Phillips and Einat Wilf. Arguing against were Mehdi Hasan and Ilan Pappé. The debate was chaired by Carrie Gracie. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/intelligencesquared.  See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Rory Stewart, and I'd like to tell you about an intelligent squared event

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I'm doing with the classicist author and broadcaster Mary Beard. Together we'll be discussing

0:10.1

politics and power from the Caesars to Sunack, who gets to Winpar, who is excluded,

0:16.0

does power always corrupt, or other examples of leaders who've maintained their integrity while

0:21.1

an authority. And how does the nature of power vary across different times and cultures?

0:26.0

These are just some of the questions that Mary and I will be trying to answer.

0:29.6

In person tickets are now sold out, but you can still watch online on the 13th of November

0:34.6

at 7pm BST. Put your questions first live as we discuss power and politics down the edges.

0:40.8

Hello podcast listeners, I'm Connor and welcome to this week's episode of The Sun Day

0:44.5

Debate, the new series from Intelligent Squared, which looks back at our most popular

0:48.4

and consequential debates. Today we're going back to 2019, in which we staged the debate

0:53.9

anti-zionism is anti-semitism. It was a loaded debate with a lot of emotion on both sides,

0:59.6

and the issue has come back into the news as the conflict between Israel and Palestine

1:04.4

has intensified in recent weeks and months. It's one of our most listened to and watched debates,

1:09.9

and we hope you enjoy it. Now let's go to the episode.

1:17.6

Good evening everybody and welcome to your winter. It is great to see such a full house

1:23.2

for this debate and the motion of our debate tonight. Anti-zionism is anti-semitism.

1:32.5

Anti-zionism is anti-semitism. There is so much meaning packed into those words, meaning which stretches

1:43.2

down the centuries and meaning which reaches into the lives of millions of people today.

1:49.5

Anti-zionism, anti-semitism, these terms are very fraught. Anti-zionism often defined as

1:57.2

opposition to the existence of a Jewish state in the territory defined as the historic land of

2:05.6

Israel or Palestine. Anti-semitism most often defined as hostility, prejudice or discrimination

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