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The Big Picture

The Summer Movie Preview Game. Plus: David Cronenberg on ‘The Shrouds.’

The Big Picture

The Ringer

Tv & Film

4.35.2K Ratings

🗓️ 25 April 2025

⏱️ 159 minutes

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Summary

Sean and Amanda briefly react to some Oscars news, including a rule requiring Academy members to watch the movies and the details surrounding the new Casting and Achievement in Stunt Design award (1:34). Then, for the first time, they play the Summer Movie Preview Game, in which they predict the box office and Metacritic score for every major summer movie release in 2025 (16:27). Later, Sean is joined by Adam Nayman to give a brief “state of the movies” before discussing David Cronenberg’s newest body horror film, ‘The Shrouds.’ They talk about its complicated and moving portrayal of grief, praise Vincent Cassel for his excellent performance, and create a “Cronenberg starter pack” for those who aren’t very familiar with the director’s filmography (1:25:06). Finally, Sean is joined by the great David Cronenberg to discuss ‘The Shrouds.’ They talk about his decision to cast Cassel in an unusual and challenging role, why he hates shooting on film and would never return, and his long-term creative collaboration with composer Howard Shore (2:06:43). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guests: David Cronenberg and Adam Nayman Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Look, it's not that confusing. I'm Rob Harvilla, host of the podcast 60 songs that explain the 90s, except we did 120 songs. And now we're back with the 2000s. I refuse to say aughts. 2000 to 2009. The Strokes, Rihanna, Jalo, Kanye, sure. And now the show is called 60 songs that explain the 90s,

0:21.1

colon the 2000s.

0:22.9

Wow.

0:23.7

That's too long a title for me to say anything else right now.

0:26.6

Just trust me.

0:27.7

That's 60 songs that explain the 90s,

0:29.8

colon the 2000s,

0:31.4

preferably on Spotify.

0:37.1

Music I'm Sean Fennacy.

0:47.8

And this is the big picture of conversation show about our summer movie preview and also grief.

0:51.9

Great.

0:52.8

Later in this episode.

0:54.6

Do we need the also?

0:56.5

Well, I don't know.

0:58.0

We're going to find out as we explore the summer box office ideas this year.

1:02.2

Later in this episode, I do have a conversation with David Cronenberg, the legendary Canadian writer-director.

1:08.5

That'll be a very different part of the conversation from the one that

1:11.1

you and I are about to have. His new film is The Shrouds. It's an examination of grief. It's paranoia.

1:17.0

And the way technology has invaded our souls, Cronenberg is a master, a great interview. It's

1:22.1

great to chat with him before my talk with him. I chatted with Adam Naiman about the shrouds and about Kronenberg's career, what it means to us. Please stick

1:29.3

around for both of those things.

1:31.4

But first, Amanda,

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