Okay, we are alive. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey.

Investigates on today's show. Very special guest. Returning guest, his name is Carl,

Hassel, last name is spelled H-A-S-S-E-L. Today we're going to talk about the strange world of Frank Sapa.

Somebody I don't know as well about as well as Carl does. Carl knows a lot. Trying to talk in the pre-show and get these slides together.

But this will not be, Carl saying this is our fourth show.

We did two shows on the Grateful Dead.

The title of that one was the Grateful Dead, Counterculture, New Age Deception.

And then we did another one, the Strange Tale of Spies Lies and the Peoity Way Church of God.

So we did those, those would be three. Strange Tale of Spies Lies in the Peotay Church of God.

So we did those.

Those would be three.

And then this will be our fourth show.

So I'm delighted to have them back.

And we're going to, like I said, show some slides and hopefully get some links.

If I can do a good job on popping these links up.

So Carl, welcome back to the show.

Thank you.

Thank you.

It's fun to be here.

Yeah, yeah. It always, it's great to talk with you. People may not have heard our earlier show.

You have had a pretty, very interesting life. A lot of connections, Dad, Pioti Way Church.

Maybe you can talk about your background, your interest in Zappa, and then we can go from there.

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