The Strange Gift of Joy with Rowan Williams

Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Kate Bowler

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.8 • 5.1K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2026

⏱️ 56 minutes

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As Holy Week arrives, Kate talks with theologian, poet, and former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams about joy that doesn’t erase sorrow. Together they explore longing, grief, music, gratitude, hope, and the strange, defiant way joy can sit right beside pain without denying what’s true. SHOW NOTES George Herbert, “The Pulley” Nick Cave Hannah Coulter by Wendell Berry Tour dates & tickets: katebowler.com/joyfulanyway Watch the live conversation on YouTube Join Kate Bowler on Substack for the season of Lent: katebowler.substack.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0	It's morning in New York.
0:02.8	Oh, God.
0:06.2	Hey, everybody.
0:07.3	I'm Mandy Patinkin.
0:08.7	And I'm Catherine Grady.
0:09.8	And we have a new podcast.
0:11.7	It's called Don't Listen to Us.
0:14.1	Many of you've asked for our advice.
0:16.1	Tell me, what is wrong with you people?
0:19.2	Don't listen to us.
0:20.3	Our Take It or Leave a Adv show, every Wednesday out now.
0:24.7	A Lemonada Media Original.
0:31.7	Oh, hello there.
0:33.0	I'm Kate Bowler, and this is Everything Happens.
0:38.2	So this week marks the end of Lent, which means that Easter is coming.
0:44.9	But there is a particular pressure that comes at the end of Lent.
0:49.2	Like you've done the reflecting, maybe you gave something up, maybe you picked up a new practice
0:53.1	that might in hope bring you closer to God.
0:56.1	Hey, and maybe you even joined us over for Lent on Substack, where we've been reflecting on what it means to live with the ache of being human.
1:03.6	But, but now Easter is coming with the bunnies and the lilies and the allelooias, and you might not feel ready.
1:16.0	There's a version of the Christian story.
1:18.7	Heck, it's the American story that suggests that we should move briskly from sorrow to joy.
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