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I was in a hotel in California, and I saw that the phone lit up.

And I thought, who's calling me at 1 o'clock in the morning?

And then this Swedish voice came on. And then they said, I won the Nobel Prize in physics.

And I thought, this is very odd. I don't do physics. So that's when I thought it might be a

prank.

Jeffrey Hinton won the 2024 Nobel Prize in Physics, an honour held by Albert Einstein and

Marie Curie. A certain J. Robert Oppenheimer was shortlisted, but never won.

My big hope was to win the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for figuring out how the brain worked.

And what I didn't realize is you could fail to figure out how the brain worked and still get a Nobel Prize anyway.

Welcome to Tech Stuff. This is the story, with our guest, the Nobel laureate, Jeffrey Hinton.

Each week on Wednesdays, we bring you an in-depth interview with someone

who's at the forefront of technology, or who can unlock a world where tech is at its most

fascinating. His recent Nobel Prize win was for, quote, foundational discoveries and inventions

that enable machine learning with artificial neural networks. Now, artificial neural networks are learning models, inspired by the network of neurons present in the human brain.

And Hinton's desire to figure out the brain was a key inspiration for his pioneering work on AI.

I was particularly fascinated by Hinton because his work went completely against the

mainstream of computer science for decades. And yet he stuck to his guns. It's an incredible

story of dedication in the face of personal loss. Also fascinating is Hinton's relationship

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