This is the Gary V. Audio Experience.

We don't have a ton of time. I'm going to jump right in.

And I want to get your thoughts on the trajectory that the hobby has been through since 2019,

the national in 2019 where I first met you through the pandemic to today. What are your thoughts?

You know, I think that it's an industry that got much broader awareness,

much like many industry sneakers and FTs cards, anything. Social media like markets.

It's a market that I think isn't a really healthy, solidified place because it went through its underrated period,

potentially its overrated period in this cycle. You know, we had the Maguire era,

we had the 80s junk wax era. You have these moments where two, three, four years.

But every time you look at it, I find like the industry evolves and gets stronger.

Sports cards have been a thing in popular culture, obviously for over a hundred years,

and have had real understood value now for almost a half a century, right?

And so you're going to, like any market, it's going to have its ebb and flow, contemporary art, antiques,

this is coins, stamps, you know, like things have their ebbs and flows.

I think this last one was incredibly healthy and incredibly vulnerable, meaning vulnerable because, like,

base cards of like speculative players, you know, you're going to get hurt on that.

You're going to get hurt on those kind of things, just like I did with Todd Vampoppel and Brian Thomas,

like Brian Taylor, excuse me, that, you know, that's, you saw that happening during this year,

which is why I stayed very narrow because I learned in my teens and 20s about that.

On the flip side, the amount of people that have come into the industry is extraordinary.

And so I think the hobby, and I've been watching the hobby pretty carefully now for the last year,

I think it's in a very healthy place where it seems like there's ration out to things versus just hyperbole.

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