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🗓️ 13 May 2025
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The British Royal Family has long been entwined with the secret services. Richard Aldrich and Rory Cormac reveal in their book 'The Secret Royals', how Queen Victoria and Elizabeth II (Codename 2519) were the ultimate handlers; privy to daily intelligence reports, globally well connected, capable of outmanoeuvring their own governments. Host Charlie Higson speaks to Richard and Rory about uncovering this hidden history, why top spies sip tea at Buckingham Palace, and how the next generation of Royals are continuing this intelligence-loving legacy.
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0:00.0 | Wonderry Plus subscribers can binge full seasons of the Spy Who early and add free on Apple Podcasts or the Wondery app. |
0:14.3 | From Wondery, I'm Charlie Higson, spy novelist, actor, comedian, and this is The Spy Who. |
0:23.1 | Thank you for joining us for our final episode of The Spy Who Dressed the Queen. |
0:28.8 | The phrase, on Her Majesty's Secret Service, may carry a little more weight than we realize. |
0:34.9 | Often the role of the British royal family is considered ceremonial and their |
0:39.5 | homes and grounds, something of a tourist attraction. But what if there was something more shadowy |
0:44.7 | afoot? Building on our series about Hardy Amies, the Queen's dressmaker and orchestrator of |
0:51.1 | Nazi assassinations in occupied Belgium, I wanted to explore the two worlds |
0:56.3 | of the British monarchy and their secret services. If you haven't already, be sure to listen |
1:01.3 | to episodes one to three of the spy who dressed the queen to discover how Hardy mastered both |
1:08.1 | vanity and violence. In this episode, I'm going to speak to Richard J. Aldrich, |
1:14.5 | Professor of Politics and International Studies at Warwick University, and Rory McCormack, |
1:20.1 | Professor of International Relations at the University of Nottingham. Both are fellows of the |
1:25.8 | Royal Historical Society. Both have a list of accreditations and achievements |
1:30.4 | to their name that's longer than my arm, and together they've written the book, The Secret Royals, |
1:36.2 | Spying and the Crown, from Victoria to Diana. It's a quite eye-opening account of how the |
1:42.5 | intelligence world intermingles with the British royal family to this very day. |
1:47.4 | We do think of the spy world as being dominated by men, but in this domain, it's the women who have the power. |
1:54.9 | And it goes all the way back to Elizabeth I. |
2:01.8 | This episode is brought to you by Netflix, |
2:05.6 | and their powerful new documentary, |
2:07.8 | Britain and the Blitz, available now. |
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